From unexpected beginnings to deeply fulfilling careers, this episode weaves together the inspiring stories of multi-faith chaplains. Hear how their personal journeys led them to serve diverse communities, the unexpected challenges they faced, and the profound impact they’ve had on the lives of others. Prepare to be moved by their dedication, resilience, and unwavering commitment to serving humanity.
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The Guests

Ahtsham Ali
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Gavin Broder
Rabbi Gavin Broder, fondly referred to as ‘Rav Gav’, is one of University Jewish Chaplaincy’s longest serving chaplains and works with university students around London. He arrived in the capital in 2000 after serving as the Chief Rabbi of Ireland and working as a rabbi in three other Jewish communities.

Leon Dundas
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Sabiha Iqbal
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The Episode
00:00 Welcome to the Chaplaincy Chain Podcast
01:14 Meet the Guests
04:05 The Journey to Chaplaincy
09:10 Qualities of a Multi-Faith Chaplain
14:01 Navigating Multi-Faith Dynamics
20:12 Speaking Truth to Power
25:39 Building Relationships in Multi-Faith Teams
28:00 Navigating Intersectionality in Chaplaincy
30:01 The Role of Chaplains: Community vs. Faith
34:04 Celebrating Diversity and Building Bridges
36:30 Challenging Norms: Faith in Non-Traditional Spaces
40:30 Navigating Conflicts of Loyalty
46:00 The Path of Integrity in Chaplaincy
49:15 Looking Ahead: Institutional Responsibilities and Kindness
The Conversation
The quiet hum of a prison, the sterile calm of a hospital, the vibrant energy of a university campus—these diverse settings share a common thread: the presence of chaplains. But what happens when these chaplains represent a spectrum of faiths, beliefs, and experiences? This episode delves into the fascinating world of multi-faith chaplaincy, offering unique insights from those who navigate this complex and often rewarding field.
The Calling to Multi-Faith Chaplaincy: Diverse Paths, Shared Purpose
Sabiha, Gavin, Leon and Ahtsham each share their unique journeys into multi-faith chaplaincy. Sabiha’s path was serendipitous, starting with simple prayer room maintenance and evolving into a full-time role at the University of Roehampton. Her experience highlights how a seemingly small act of service can blossom into a profound vocation. Gavin’s story similarly underscores the unexpected nature of a calling, revealing that a background in pulpit ministry can seamlessly transition to the unique demands of university chaplaincy.
Leon’s background, rooted in Christian ministry but influenced by the Caribbean’s diverse religious landscape, highlights a deep understanding of interfaith dynamics. Ahtsham’s experience managing 233 Muslim chaplains across England and Wales demonstrates the substantial scale of this work. His journey began with youth work and a fascination with faith’s transformative power, leading them to a unique position within the prison service. Their combined experiences showcase the varied routes that lead individuals into this specialised role, all unified by a deep-seated passion for serving others.
Essential Qualities for Multi-Faith Chaplains: Beyond Religious Expertise
Effective multi-faith chaplaincy demands more than just religious knowledge. A sense of humour, humility, and the ability to truly listen to understand, not just to respond, are crucial qualities. Ahtsham eloquently emphasises the importance of humour and humility, asserting that chaplaincy is no place for inflated egos. The ability to actively listen, to understand the perspectives of others before formulating a response, is highlighted by Bob Wilson. It’s a subtle yet significant difference between simply hearing and truly understanding.
Furthermore, the ability to be present in various settings—whether it’s a chance encounter in a hallway or a scheduled meeting—is equally important. Sabiha underscores the flexibility required to provide a listening ear regardless of the setting or time. Empathy, the capacity to place oneself in another’s shoes, is paramount. This is particularly crucial in multi-faith settings where the potential for misunderstanding or misinterpretation is higher.
Building on this, Leon introduces the concept of a “strong stomach,” highlighting the need to navigate difficult and often emotionally challenging situations with resilience. This includes navigating physically challenging conditions, as well as emotionally and spiritually intense encounters. The ability to speak truth to power, gently yet firmly, is another crucial attribute. This requires a delicate balance of advocating for justice without jeopardising one’s position or creating further conflict. This involves navigating sensitive and nuanced situations with care and diplomacy. The importance of building strong relationships, both with those being served and with fellow chaplains, further emphasizes the human aspect of this vocation.
Collaborating in Multi-Faith Teams: Navigating Differences, Sharing Values
Working within a multi-faith team presents unique challenges and rewards. Ahtsham explains the absence of a shared theological language, highlighting the need to understand individual colleagues’ values, sensitivities, and boundaries. Building trust and understanding becomes the cornerstone of effective collaboration. The ability to navigate personal boundaries and sensitive topics is paramount. This involves being respectful of different religious customs and traditions. Understanding where the “red lines” are – topics that might be too sensitive to discuss – is key to maintaining positive relationships.
Leon further elucidates the complexity of these dynamics, describing a scenario where differing cultural and religious perspectives, alongside gender and racial considerations, intersected to create intricate communication challenges. Navigating such situations successfully requires cultural sensitivity, careful communication, and the ability to effectively mediate between diverse viewpoints. This underscores the importance of humility, understanding, and a willingness to learn from others’ experiences.
Serving Communities, Balancing Loyalties: The Chaplain’s Complex Role
Multi-faith chaplains often face conflicts of loyalties. They are expected to serve their own faith communities while fulfilling their roles within larger institutions and sometimes even navigating government regulations. Ahtsham highlights the difficulty of speaking truth to power while maintaining working relationships and avoiding jeopardising one’s position. This is particularly challenging given the shifts in government priorities and societal values that can influence these relationships. Navigating these complexities requires careful consideration and the ability to find a balance between institutional expectations and personal integrity.
Leon also underscores the significant role that faith plays in providing support and assistance. Bob Wilson further explores the idea of symbiotic relationships, where chaplains work to benefit both individuals and institutions.
The Future of Multi-Faith Chaplaincy: A Call for Institutional Responsibility
As the podcast concludes, the discussion turns to the future of multi-faith chaplaincy. Sabiha proposes exploring how institutions can better fulfill their responsibilities to people of faith and their chaplains. This includes recognising the diversity of faith within the institution and fostering an inclusive environment. The discussion emphasises the importance of viewing diversity not just through a racial or ethnic lens, but also recognising the unique spiritual and religious needs of the community.
A focus on patience, kindness, and prayer are highlighted as essential elements in navigating the inevitable challenges. The conversation emphasises the importance of building strong relationships with all stakeholders. The podcast concludes by emphasizing the need for understanding, cooperation, and recognition of differing viewpoints.
Conclusion: Embracing the Complexity, Celebrating the Unity
Multi-faith chaplaincy is a multifaceted vocation that demands a unique blend of skills, qualities, and spiritual understanding. It requires navigating complex relationships, sensitive issues, and the occasional conflict of loyalties. However, those who engage in this work describe it as deeply rewarding and profoundly impactful. By embracing the complexity and celebrating the unity within diversity, multi-faith chaplains play a vital role in creating more inclusive and compassionate communities. The ongoing dialogue about institutional responsibility and the need for continuous understanding and learning will undoubtedly shape the future of this vital field.
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